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Somebody’s Bell Got Rung– Though a Bit Late

07 Thursday May 2009

Posted by thetimman in General Catholic News/Opinion, Local Catholic News

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You may recall that I posted a couple of times about the decision of Orlando Gardens to rent out their space to a pro-abortion crowd awards event, followed by their quick decision to apologize and donate all of the profits of that event to a pro-life cause, with a promise not to host such events again. A victory for life, however small.

Well, somebody on the left has gotten the email chain going or something, because about 10 days late I am beginning to get emails from those wonderful types of people who gunk up blog comment boxes with pro-culture of death propaganda. Here are the latest several– perfect examples of a type, with my observations:

Anonymous said…
Just to Clarify this was a Faith Aloud Event. Planned Parenthood had not to do with this event. Let’s get the fact right if you are going to be judging people.


Well, anon, I don’t know that we judged anyone. But I realize this is derived from the only phrase that most people who hate the Catholic Church’s insistence on the moral law have memorized. So, it’s OK. Just to give my readers the full scoop here is the website of Faith Aloud. See, readers, now that you have checked it out don’t you feel better about the event?


Anonymous said…
I will be writing to let them know they were duped by you and yours. Faith Aloud does great work to PREVENT pregnancies that a woman doesn’t consent to, something I have seen little success with from those who deny accurate medical information or restrict options. The choice for life is not a moral choice if it is forced on women. I will write to let the Orlandos know that I will never give money to a business that supports forced childbearing against the will of the woman whose body is being used. If they were consistent and also forced men to donate their bodies (forced blood and organ donations, for instance) to save lives, I might consider it, but for now, it is an anti-woman move.


Thanks for the comment, Anon. I just love that concept– “pregnancies that a woman doesn’t consent to”. Does that mean she didn’t consent to having marital relations, or that she doesn’t consent to biological facts, or that she doesn’t consent to the way God designed her body? And “forced childbearing”? Really, are you serious? That’s hilarious! I love your ironic sense of humor.

Lauren Bernstein said…
Faith Aloud is a spiritual, religious organization that brings together people from spiritual backgrounds who are also pro-choice. As a pro-choice Catholic, I think that it is very sad that we need to be divisive when we talk about who is or is not welcome to have gatherings. Isn’t this the United States? We should be banding together as Catholics around issues of poverty that are really hurting us all and working to give women real options when they are pregnant including contraception and adoption.


Sorry to break this to you, Lauren, but there is no such thing as a pro-choice Catholic. I am really glad you are against poverty, but killing little babies doesn’t strike me as the Gospel way of approaching that issue. Here’s a real option for a woman who is pregnant: thank God for the blessing of your child and accept your parental responsibility to ensure the care of that child to the best of your ability. If it is impossible, adoption seems to be a “real option” for you.


Jay Brandt said…
Thank you…I did write to Mike Orlando the following:


Mike,
As a former fellow St. Louis caterer and restauranteur I am amazed and appalled at your recent decision to so openly and blantantly discriminate against so many St. Louisians. We as business operators do not judge or condone the beliefs and actions of our customers..as long as they behave respectfully and legally. As a Jewish business person should I have barred all Catholics from my restaurant because our beliefs differed? I’ve seen many blogs (I may be in the hills of KY, but thanks to the internet age I can still stay in touch with my home city) that say “well, there goes my favorite caterer” and similar comments. St. Louisians clearly loved what you were doing there, but to bow to pressure from one group you’ve alienated many, many others.Us business owners are an independent lot…so I know to ask you to reconsider won’t carry much weight…yet I ask you to please reconsider.
Yours,Jay Brandt

Thanks, Jay. Mike Orlando’s business is his to conduct as he sees fit. He may be more influenced by you than by a pro-life customer or colleague. Time will tell. In the end, of course, it doesn’t sanitize the activity condoned by groups like “Faith Aloud.” It is what it is.

Somebody’s Bell Got Rung– Though a Bit Late

07 Thursday May 2009

Posted by thetimman in General Catholic News/Opinion, Local Catholic News

≈ Leave a comment

You may recall that I posted a couple of times about the decision of Orlando Gardens to rent out their space to a pro-abortion crowd awards event, followed by their quick decision to apologize and donate all of the profits of that event to a pro-life cause, with a promise not to host such events again. A victory for life, however small.

Well, somebody on the left has gotten the email chain going or something, because about 10 days late I am beginning to get emails from those wonderful types of people who gunk up blog comment boxes with pro-culture of death propaganda. Here are the latest several– perfect examples of a type, with my observations:

Anonymous said…
Just to Clarify this was a Faith Aloud Event. Planned Parenthood had not to do with this event. Let’s get the fact right if you are going to be judging people.


Well, anon, I don’t know that we judged anyone. But I realize this is derived from the only phrase that most people who hate the Catholic Church’s insistence on the moral law have memorized. So, it’s OK. Just to give my readers the full scoop here is the website of Faith Aloud. See, readers, now that you have checked it out don’t you feel better about the event?


Anonymous said…
I will be writing to let them know they were duped by you and yours. Faith Aloud does great work to PREVENT pregnancies that a woman doesn’t consent to, something I have seen little success with from those who deny accurate medical information or restrict options. The choice for life is not a moral choice if it is forced on women. I will write to let the Orlandos know that I will never give money to a business that supports forced childbearing against the will of the woman whose body is being used. If they were consistent and also forced men to donate their bodies (forced blood and organ donations, for instance) to save lives, I might consider it, but for now, it is an anti-woman move.


Thanks for the comment, Anon. I just love that concept– “pregnancies that a woman doesn’t consent to”. Does that mean she didn’t consent to having marital relations, or that she doesn’t consent to biological facts, or that she doesn’t consent to the way God designed her body? And “forced childbearing”? Really, are you serious? That’s hilarious! I love your ironic sense of humor.

Lauren Bernstein said…
Faith Aloud is a spiritual, religious organization that brings together people from spiritual backgrounds who are also pro-choice. As a pro-choice Catholic, I think that it is very sad that we need to be divisive when we talk about who is or is not welcome to have gatherings. Isn’t this the United States? We should be banding together as Catholics around issues of poverty that are really hurting us all and working to give women real options when they are pregnant including contraception and adoption.


Sorry to break this to you, Lauren, but there is no such thing as a pro-choice Catholic. I am really glad you are against poverty, but killing little babies doesn’t strike me as the Gospel way of approaching that issue. Here’s a real option for a woman who is pregnant: thank God for the blessing of your child and accept your parental responsibility to ensure the care of that child to the best of your ability. If it is impossible, adoption seems to be a “real option” for you.


Jay Brandt said…
Thank you…I did write to Mike Orlando the following:


Mike,
As a former fellow St. Louis caterer and restauranteur I am amazed and appalled at your recent decision to so openly and blantantly discriminate against so many St. Louisians. We as business operators do not judge or condone the beliefs and actions of our customers..as long as they behave respectfully and legally. As a Jewish business person should I have barred all Catholics from my restaurant because our beliefs differed? I’ve seen many blogs (I may be in the hills of KY, but thanks to the internet age I can still stay in touch with my home city) that say “well, there goes my favorite caterer” and similar comments. St. Louisians clearly loved what you were doing there, but to bow to pressure from one group you’ve alienated many, many others.Us business owners are an independent lot…so I know to ask you to reconsider won’t carry much weight…yet I ask you to please reconsider.
Yours,Jay Brandt

Thanks, Jay. Mike Orlando’s business is his to conduct as he sees fit. He may be more influenced by you than by a pro-life customer or colleague. Time will tell. In the end, of course, it doesn’t sanitize the activity condoned by groups like “Faith Aloud.” It is what it is.

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