15 Thursday Sep 2022
Posted in pope v. antipope, we’re beeped
Christ promised the gates of hell would not prevail.
That’s why a pope cannot teach heresy.
He cannot abrogate the Mass, the guardian and manifestation of the Catholic faith.
He cannot abrogate the dictates of the Divine or Natural law.
“Hey look, there’s that guy doing these things!”
THEREFORE….?!
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Fire and brimstone, holy smoke, you hit the nail. Malachi Martin did state that God “has removed His grace” from the Church. It sure looks like it. The Church is now a “pile of garbage” that fulfills the words of Fulton J. Sheen in 1948.
“….God “has removed His grace” from the Church.”
How does that square with; “…and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
St Matthew 28:20
Far more likely, I believe, that the VII Church and it’s popes are not the Catholic Church. Unless I’m missing something, how in the world could the removal of God’s grace from His Church not be the gates of hell prevailing?
God is also with and grants His grace to Baptized Catholics all their days, even to the consumation of their world … unless they commit mortal sin. In that case, they must repent, confess, do penance and amend their life.
God is with every one of His children. He is always faithful. We, however, are not. But He always draws us back to Him by the intercession of Blessed Mary, Angels and Saints and our own prayers of adoration.
The Mystical Body of Christ, the Roman Catholic Church that exists outside of time and place, is pure as the whitest snow. Church Militant, however, is made up of cells of struggling, fighting, aspiring, suffering Christians in mortal battle for their spiritual souls.
We all fall. We all have a path back, by the grace of God. The Apostles and the Pope who heads them are human. They are not gods. They are not perfect. Sometimes they are pure evil. Sometimes, they are infiltrated by Satan himself. Pope St. Leo XIII was granted just such a prophetic vision of this imminent trial. Other Seers have all seen the same thing over centuries of prophetic warnings: Satan is granted permission by God to test His Bride and the test will come through surreptitious infiltration of the Apostlic Line itself.
This should not shake our faith, any more than crisis like Arianism shook the faith of our forebears or any other crisis.
The Pope is not perfect. The Apostles are not perfect. At this point, in line with the prophecies, it is likely the Apostles are deeply infected with unbelief, heresy, perhaps even satanic belief.
The question is – what then? I see the response of Arbp LeFebvre and all that are, and ever were like him in the pattern of St. Athanasius, as the preferred method of response to trial: correct error in Charity, intercede for the suffering in prayer and penance, and pursue and advance Truth, *within the Sacraments and Holy Mass*, in obedience *rightly ordered* to the Apostolic Line of Apostles, to return Christ to His rightful place by our personal fidelity in whatever our state of life.
There you go again Aqua….one foot in sede land, the other in NO land. I’ve never been more at peace in my faith as when I finally got over the fear of SVism. No more explaining why my bishops/priests believe Bergoglio is the pope. No more twisting tradition to fit VII documents, heretics and apostates into the infallibility of the Church. No more being in between sede and NO. But I know for certain you are a good and faithful Catholic. Best of luck to you.
Well, yeah. I (as doubtless many others have done) wrote to His Eminence Cardinal Burke not long ago, saying among other things that it seems to me that Francis could not possibly be the real Holy Father because a real Holy Father could not possibly say and do the scandalous things that Francis has said and done. It’s not rocket science — although as we now know, there’s plenty of rocket science with which to make the case if one wants to go that route.
Invalidly elected, as best I can guess. Perhaps I will be fortunate enough to witness a true Vicar of Christ anathematizing this entire “kidney stone of a papacy” (H/T The American Catholic.)
The question has been answered to my satisfaction long ago.
Benedict XVI, validly elected, invalidly resigned, remains Pope. This man Bergoglio is quantifiably imposter, antipope. I expect the antipope to commit antipopey acts. I ignore them all. I have informed those who need to be informed of my convictions in conscience.
This is now a problem for the Apostles, and only the Apostles. And for this ecclesial travesty, and for all the souls at stake, they will be judged. I have my duties. They have theirs.
Therefore Ann Barnhart was right!!?😉
Nah ….Benedict is just as much a heretic and apostate as Francis
Yeah, I’ll disagree with you there
Kono:
Apostate: “the total rejection of Christianity by a baptized person who, having at one time professed the Christian faith, publicly rejects it”.
Heresy: “the rejection of one or more Christian doctrines by one who maintains an overall adherence to Jesus Christ”.
Formal Declaration of Heresy: “Canon 1325 defines a heretic as a baptised person, still calling himself a Christian, who “pertinaciously denies or doubts any of the truths which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.” And the word “pertinaciously” is understood by canonists to mean that the person is conscious of the conflict between his opinion and the Church’s teaching”.
Kono – I have read much of the Holy Father’s writings, and I don’t see what you see, given the above definitions. I’m not going to try to convince you about specifics, but it is a high bar one must cross before you can legitimately declare with certainty as if your soul depends on it that the legitimate occupant of the See of Peter, Vicar of Christ, Viceroy of Heaven, is an Apostate and a Heretic and thus damned to hell.
thetimman,
Ok, worded poorly on my part perhaps. But there aren’t degrees of heresy; you’re either a heretic or you’re not. Ratzinger is also a heretic.
No problem on my end; I love hyperbole and use it often. But I still don’t agree with the essential point that Pope Benedict is a heretic. Far from it. I am not familiar enough with young Ratzinger’s writing, but no heresy ad pope. And I agree with Aqua as to obstinacy being lacking even then.
I understand the position of the sedevacantists. It has a certain apparent logic. I understand the sincerity of its adherents. But I do not hold to it for many reasons. I don’t wish to hash out that argument on this site. You are very welcome here, but I will stick to my own peculiar agendae of the Faith, the Mass, Our Lady, Bob Dylan and bullfighting. It looks like I have to disabuse Michael Matt of his Bobsphemy soon.
Yes, she was and still is.
“Christ promised the gates of hell would not prevail.” This at one time was thought to mean that death would not prevail over Christ and his Church.
To me it seems that there are too many serious questions about BXVI’s resignation and installation of PF, who has doggedly done everything he could possibly due to damage the faith and the church, also Western civilization, therefore, antipope and all around really-bad-guy. I too, ignore them all. I care no more about what PF or his minions say than I do the man down the street. It does matter to me that Our Lord is insulted, that the faith is damaged, that the church is in agony, and that people are going to hell and suffering here. Other than pray for these I can do very little. It has not shaken my faith. It has made me more determined to live out my Catholic faith. I have hope that one of these days God will directly intervene. I still recall the days of long ago (2015 or so), when I had hope some man or group in the clergy would denounce him to the face.
Ah, good times.
“The Ratzinger Code” available in English: the inquiry book. Benedict XVI is the legitimate pope, Bergoglio is antipope:
https://sfero.me/article/the-ratzinger-code-available-in-english-the-inquiry-book-benedict-xvi-is-the-legitimate-pope-bergoglio-is-antipope
Mission complete: the first volume of Codex Ratzinger has been published in English. Available in ebook HERE:
https://www.youcanprint.it/the-ratzinger-code/b/1b99b934-11d3-515d-94f3-8d12029042c4
Charmaine: some thoughts on “The Code”; controversial topic among Catholics, I have found. Sorry about the length …
What Pope Benedict XVI *did* is a quantifiable fact. It is perceivable by anyone without regard to education or intelligence or age … as you would expect under the authority and Providence of a merciful God.
*Why* he did what he did can be speculated on endlessly. The exercise is useful, profitable, since it can help to ease the confusion and suffering within one’s faith that must now accept a reality never before allowed by God or Man nor seen before in Church history. But ultimately, the *why* is between the reigning Pope – there can be only one Monarch on the Throne – and God whom he serves.
I see only three possibilities:
1: Pope Benedict was careless, sloppy, confused when he penned and spoke his abdication. He doesn’t understand Canon Law, nor does he understand theological laws that govern the Papacy.
2: Pope Benedict is a heretic of the highest order – the Barnhardt thesis – and has attempted to remake the Papacy in his own image and in accord with his own new understandings of what ought to be, given current modern circumstances.
3: Pope Benedict was afraid for his life, afraid for the Church, afraid for the Papacy itself in all its Divine nature and glory. In the face of existential spiritual, economic and physical threats to his person and to the vast complex of Church structures which only he saw, and which we do not see and cannot possibly see with him, (we can merely guess, extrapolate and suppose), he took the Papacy into a “state of exception”, took the Papacy into hiding … to save it from the coming judgement which, as Christ’s Vicar, in the realm of contemplative connection to the Divone – *HE KNOWS* is coming, is in fact already here.
Possibility 1 can be rejected out of hand. That does not match objective reality.
Possibility 2 is a consideration, and has some validity. It is certainly possible that Joseph Ratzinger is now and always has been a heretic, surreptitiously placed on the Throne by Satan himself by the permission of God. I put less credence in it that others, because it does not match what I perceive of the man Joseph Ratzinger, and his life’s work, which is more in line with the man that God would give us for the moment of supreme trial. But I concede it is possible to be deceived at high levels.
Possibility 3 is most likely, as put forth by the author of the Ratzinger Code (which I have not yet read … just got the E-version this morning). Regardless of “the code” I have *always* thought it most likely that Pope Benedict XVI is like the ship Captain who has suffered the violence of mutiny, whose authority has been long undermined and has now been removed by open force. Even though the act itself was unseen by we, the ship’s passengers and crew, the Officers mutineed while we were sleeping, put the King’s Captain below deck, confined to quarters, and gave the ship a new Captain … *with authority of the force on the high sea but without the TRUE authority of the King’s Commission* (Office).
The Church has been overrun by criminals who hate the God who is sovereign over His Body, the RCC. This is quantifiably certain by their ongoing and accelerating acts of sacrelige and idolatry. *Why* did Pope Benedict “allow” such a thing? I speculate that we are in a mutinee. The mutineers will pay, when the King reclaims His Ship one day. Now, the Ship’s occupants are declaring loyalty to those in power, or the unseen, lonely and aged man who occupies a cabin below decks with the unseen, invisible true power of the Divine authority of the King Himself – far away, but drawing closer to His pride and joy.
Boy…if you go down that road you be hard pressed to find a true pope in the last 60+ years. Paul VI destroyed the Roman Rite. JP II prayed with animists. Benedict’s early writings seem to question the doctrine of Original Sin. Who says a pope can’t teach heresy or even be an actual occult heretic? Honorius, John XXII, and others certainly had some issues. It’s been more than nine years. Give it a break. The Universal Church and every single cardinal without exception accepts the present pope. Deal with it. We deserve him.
Them. “We deserve them”, not “him”. Because there is two – two men named Pope, as you can clearly see in the photo of them both receiving Cardinals presented *on this very blog* (Aug 28 – titled, “I’ve asked it before …”). Saying we deserve “him”, without mentioning the other occupant, implies a false reality. We are dealing with two Popes for the first time in Church history.
The question posed above – “Therefore … ?” is derived from that pertinent fact. One of those two men who presently calls himself “Pope” is destroying the Faith in every possible way, especially through abrogation of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass – heart and soul of the mystical Body of Christ. The other man who calls himself Pope, the original Pope who never left, is not.
There was a conclave. A new Pope was elected. The entire active Catholic hierarchy accepts Francis. There is no rival…no anti-pope. Universal acceptance is an infallible sign of the legitimacy of a papacy. Rabbit holes are not helpful. Deal with Pope Francis. We’ve been dealing with liberal, modernist popes for decades.
A thousand new conclaves electing a thousand antipopes have equal invalidity.
The abdication either was or was not valid.
SM:
There are *two Popes* sitting in chairs receiving the new Cardinals entering the College.
There have been antipopes before; competitive claims before. There has never been two Popes presented to the Church and to the world by … “the entire active Catholic hierarchy”. There has never been … “universal acceptance” of two Popes occupying the same space within the Vatican. There has never been “universal acceptance” of two visible Popes at the same time before.
Deal with a two-headed Papacy. It has no precedent, but as Catholics we will be judged for this supreme trial which can only be doubted by closing one’s eyes and playing let’s pretend. It is a matter of Dogmatic Faith that the Papacy is now, has always been and always will be precisely as ordained by direct revelation of Jesus Christ Hismself.
Two visible Popes, side by side, the new one kissing the Pischatory Ring of the old one as the rulers of the Church present themselves in obedience to this new … thing … is not what Our Lord ordained.
Divine Revelation and Sacred Tradition which flows from it govern, and universal acceptance is not relevant when it deviates in any way, much less fundamentally at the Rock.
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